This is actually much closer to what actually happens at the door:
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Videos of JW preaching
by Christ Alone ini've watched a few of these videos of people either preaching to jws or jws preaching to others, and it really brings me back to my field service days.
i would hope that if someone said something different to me i would not immediately shut off my mind like this guy does.
i would hope that we could have an intelligent conversation.
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Videos of JW preaching
by Christ Alone ini've watched a few of these videos of people either preaching to jws or jws preaching to others, and it really brings me back to my field service days.
i would hope that if someone said something different to me i would not immediately shut off my mind like this guy does.
i would hope that we could have an intelligent conversation.
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Christ Alone
I've watched a few of these videos of people either preaching to JWs or JWs preaching to others, and it REALLY brings me back to my field service days. I would hope that if someone said something different to me I would not immediately shut off my mind like this guy does. I would hope that we could have an intelligent conversation. This one was especially interesting in how JWs are not interested in anything that challenges their faith. I'm not saying that the guy is wrong and the JW is right or vice versa. But it's fascinating to see the JW response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou1kIU7OM1s
Any other videos that show JWs in action?
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Watchtower Artwork Revisited...
by Mr. Falcon ini was wondering if any former bethelites could clue me in to how the illustrations get planned/decided upon that wind up in the watchtower publications?
does the writing department formally ask for a specific illustration to go with their dumb article or do the artists just smoke some ganja and come up with their own zany stuff?.
also, to any active bethelites monitoring this site, i would like to submit a recommendation.
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It's so true. There were some guys that got accepted and went to Patterson to work in audio/video that I knew. They all went to college. And they all were trying to "break in" to Hollywood. Not exactly your typical "SPIRITUAL GIANTS". But these guys made it to audio/video and had some of the most enviable jobs possible. Of course, they contributed to the Noah video...so how skilled could they be?!?!? But to be fair, these guys were actually pretty good.
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Watchtower Artwork Revisited...
by Mr. Falcon ini was wondering if any former bethelites could clue me in to how the illustrations get planned/decided upon that wind up in the watchtower publications?
does the writing department formally ask for a specific illustration to go with their dumb article or do the artists just smoke some ganja and come up with their own zany stuff?.
also, to any active bethelites monitoring this site, i would like to submit a recommendation.
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Christ Alone
Funny thing...I was at bethel when Fellowship of the Ring came out. Me and a bunch of guys from my work crew went on opening night. Interestingly, on the way back one of the guys said, "I feel like I need to read my bible now...I feel the demons."
Hmmm.....
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New Light and Reading Apostate Literature
by Christ Alone ini've been reading through some old threads, and one of barbara anderson's posts was so fascinating to me...i just had to share.
she explains how "new light" works it's way up the ladder to get approved by the gb.
she also brings out that there was a "closet" in the writing dept library that contained "apostate" books.
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Christ Alone
I've been reading through some old threads, and one of Barbara Anderson's posts was so fascinating to me...I just had to share. She explains how "new light" works it's way up the ladder to get approved by the GB.
She also brings out that there was a "closet" in the Writing Dept library that contained "apostate" books. If the WT is interested in what others are saying about them...I think it is almost 100% that they monitor this site and others like it. Here's an excerpt from one of Barbara's posts:
Link is here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/176069/1/Andersonsinfo-question-Who-wrote-them
“New light” has to work its way through channels. This is some of what I observed: Junior writers learn the channels, one of which is to go to a senior writer with an idea. Always, certain members like Henschel and Jaracz had to give the ok for “new light” to go forward or a “new light” item to go into a magazine. Certain senior writers had close friendships with GB members and discuss their ideas, feelings or research on a subject. GB can come up with an idea and introduce it to the other GB for approval, and if agreed upon, a senior writer is assigned to write an article or write or compile a book. There are numerous ways “new light” ideas get to the GB, but basically the brainchild has to be approved by them before it goes anywhere.
One time Klein talked about something he came up with at morning worship before he told the other GB members. He explained to the Bethel family how we don’t vindicate Jehovah’s name, we vindicate his sovereignty. And, lickity-split that idea became “new light.” I remember, Karl was so excited about his brainchild that when he arrived at work that morning it was as if he had been given his youth back. He was kind of hopping and jumping around and running his idea by anybody who would listen, including me.
One time, I heard that quite a number of phone calls came into Writing after one particular District Convention talk on Matthew 22:25-30 concerning the woman who married seven brothers, one at a time, after each husband died. The question was, “Consequently, in the resurrection, to which of the seven will she be wife?” Jesus replied: “…for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.”
There were many questions about the Society’s interpretation of this point. At that time I was doing research for the Proclaimer’s book but I got the idea to see just how often the literature addressed these scriptures from 1879 onward. I then proposed to Harry Peloyan that I would give him the results of my research. He thought it was a great idea. When I finished I had a stack of pages that totaled about two inches in height. I also summarized what I found and gave everything to him. Harry and Colin Quackenbush discussed it and sent a letter to the GB with their input. It was about six months later when they received a letter from the GB stating that due to the ambiguous nature of Jesus words, they were going to stop discussing these scriptures henceforth. How about that for reverse “new light”?
Another time when I was talking to Colin Quackenbush, I told him about the problems with ADHD and ADD kids. He listened and a few months later asked me to write a cover series of articles on the subject, which I did.
There were many non-Witness commentaries in the library of the Writing Dept. I even bought some for myself when I was there. A commentary was very useful to someone trying to understand a Bible verse and see if he could figure out something that would agree with WT’s thoughts on the matter. If we were studying a particular doctrine as I was at one time, we looked at commentaries to see what they said. If the problem seemed to be that WT’s stance was under a microscope by outside JWs and the evidence was in a worldly scholar’s ballpark, then out came the commentaries. If WT was thought to be wrong then it might develop into “new light.”
I was in Writing’s library constantly and hardly ever saw a writer looking through the old literature on the shelves. Of course, most of the senior writers had been there for forty years or more and were probably very tired of it all. The apostate material was available in a closet. Who read the books and booklets is something I don’t know. I would expect they were curious about what Ray said, so read his books. I never heard any comments one way or the other.
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Andersonsinfo question: Who wrote them?
by TheOldHippie insince you have taken so much time in answering questions and commenting, i ask one more question:.
could you elaborate on who wrote certain books and brochures etc.?
i know you have written about articles you have contributed to, and also that coc lists the authors of some of the books, but do you remember at least some authors of some books / brochures / special articles?.
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I think this thread is important because it shows the very HUMAN fingerprints on the publications. Since they are kept anonymous, JWs tend to almost diefy them. They come from the mysterious FAITHFUL SLAVE. But really...it's just a bunch of men writing down their opinions. There is no spritual direction. They don't give "proper food". No, it's just a bunch of men.
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Andersonsinfo question: Who wrote them?
by TheOldHippie insince you have taken so much time in answering questions and commenting, i ask one more question:.
could you elaborate on who wrote certain books and brochures etc.?
i know you have written about articles you have contributed to, and also that coc lists the authors of some of the books, but do you remember at least some authors of some books / brochures / special articles?.
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Andersonsinfo question: Who wrote them?
by TheOldHippie insince you have taken so much time in answering questions and commenting, i ask one more question:.
could you elaborate on who wrote certain books and brochures etc.?
i know you have written about articles you have contributed to, and also that coc lists the authors of some of the books, but do you remember at least some authors of some books / brochures / special articles?.
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Watchtower Artwork Revisited...
by Mr. Falcon ini was wondering if any former bethelites could clue me in to how the illustrations get planned/decided upon that wind up in the watchtower publications?
does the writing department formally ask for a specific illustration to go with their dumb article or do the artists just smoke some ganja and come up with their own zany stuff?.
also, to any active bethelites monitoring this site, i would like to submit a recommendation.
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Here's a fantastic post by Barbara Anderson regarding WHO wrote some of the publications: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/176069/1/Andersonsinfo-question-Who-wrote-them
An interesting question comes up in this thread: Were they all of the annointed. Barbara answers with: " When I was in Writing (now called "Editorial Department), there's wasn't one writer who professed to be "anointed.""
Also note that a main offender of misquoting sources comes up a couple times: Harry Peloyan. He was responsible for the "Trinity" brochure and the "Life- How did it get here?" Book. Both are notorious for their use of selective quoting of sources.
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Watchtower Artwork Revisited...
by Mr. Falcon ini was wondering if any former bethelites could clue me in to how the illustrations get planned/decided upon that wind up in the watchtower publications?
does the writing department formally ask for a specific illustration to go with their dumb article or do the artists just smoke some ganja and come up with their own zany stuff?.
also, to any active bethelites monitoring this site, i would like to submit a recommendation.
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If you search for David Iannelli, there is quite a bit that you can find about him. Barbara Anderson said this about him: " Another senior writer, David Iannelli, was assigned to work with Karl on the book. During my first day in the Writing Department, David saw me standing alone in the Writing Department Library and came over to talk. I clearly remember him telling me how thrilled I should be to have been transferred to Writing. He said Bethelites would “kill” to get my job. I thought I knew what he meant and smiled."
"Everybody who came to live at Bethel was picked to become part of the staff because of their excellent “spiritual” qualifications shown through participation in the evangelizing work. Rather than working at secular-type support jobs at Bethel, I knew, if given a choice, most Bethelites would have chosen to spend their work-day totally immersed in “spiritual” matters. The Writing Department was the hub which all Bethel revolved around because it was Watchtower literature that was the backbone of the religion; hence, I knew the Writing Department was the most coveted place to work."
"David noted my grin and then repeated his words, this time more forcefully. He said, “I mean it, Bethelites would kill for the job you have been given and don’t forget it!” Sobered and a bit confused by those words, I offered some small talk and walked away as I began to try to find my way around the library looking at the first question on my “to do” assignment sheet from Karl."